the business news of the wall street journal, sports news, "the new york post" -- "usa today" -- we call it the mc newspaper. the question is, can the "times" survive? they are clearly reinventing their internet site, and we should talk about that. when they first started the internet site, it was the caboose. now is the engine. they have many more things on the internet site and they have on the page. when they sell the subscription to the paper, they sell access to the internet site. otherwise you have to buy it extra. that is only in the last couple of years they started selling -- for a while it was free. they are doing well with that. they have over 500,000 subscribers. but will that pay the bill? paper costs go up -- what else goes up? wages go up. even if you cut people and wages go up, you come at the same. they have pension responsibilities. it is very difficult to know if it can be sustained. i talk a little bit about this in my book -- the first possibility is the print paper continues as it is. but we now, the financial reports are not good. they're basically not doing very w